: This engineer... Well, after 1917 he lived... We had... There's an attic above us. He lived in the attic. He had a bed, a table, a chair, and he had sheets strung up for curtains.
Ilya: So afterwards he lived in the attic?
GA: Yes. His family emigrated, but he stayed here.
Ilya: So after an apartment like that all he had left was that wretched attic?
GA: That's exactly where he was living, right above us he strung up curtains. He had a simple bed, a table, and a chair.
Ilya: And then what happened?
GA: Well, I'll tell you. So he had a servant named Lida, I'm sure of that, she lived here with us. Two rooms over. Lida lived two rooms over. She'd go and sell gold jewelry, she'd sell it. And she'd buy food for her master. But in 1937, in 1937, I was five then, and here I remember everything, I was always underfoot. She used to wear a robe with firebirds on it. A silk robe, and it had firebirds on it. And so she... her... Two men came in, they were tapping on the door, on the fireplace. They wanted to find where she had the gold, so they could take it from here. The security police, it must have been. They took her away, in 1937. And I never saw her again.
Ilya: What about the engineer? Did you ever hear anything more about him?
GA: I did. The engineer was given a room. He lived in our building. But I don't know where. He was so well-educated, I don't know what he was living on, how he managed. In our building. He lived here. He lived here. I don't know in which apartment, I never met him. Very educated. And so he died here. In our building is where he died. I don't know what his name was, I don't know a lot, but his things, these two things and this third one, they belonged to the engineer. This bookcase and the table behind the refrigerator, they are the engineer's. And then we have a cabinet, a cabinet, a cabinet, it's his cabinet. There's a cabinet next to the kitchen, a black one, dark. All sorts of things are kept in it. People think it's some kind of junk, they wanted to throw it into the garbage, but they put it here... it's a unique piece...
Ilya: Were a lot of good things thrown into the garbage?
GA: That I wouldn't know! I'm telling you what I remember, that these things are his things, and that cabinet over there. Then there are some more things, the neighbor took it to her dacha. They took it. They took a standing mirror, they took a bookcase. I think two things. Those S—s have two things at their dacha