Once Auntie Ksana went and threw out—everybody used to keep all their food in the kitchen, there was a box, remember, outside the window. Auntie Ksana was bored because life was too easy. If everybody gets along, that's not interesting.
Vadim: She deliberately provoked people.
Lena: She deliberately provoked people. She took Isaak Moiseevich's meat and threw it into the courtyard. Isaak Moiseevich went to get it and it wasn't there. They blamed our maid Galya, because it looked like she was the only outsider. Galya fainted. Nik, that is, the son, the son of that same Auntie Ksana, took care of her. A full circle.
Vadim: Or, or, for example, she told Lena's brother, well, he was still little, how old was he, three, right?
Lena: Yes, Vovka [Volodya] was three, or maybe four.
Vadim: In the kitchen, every family's table had...
Lena: ...every family's table had, right...
Lena: ...had these little rugs, little pieces of carpet.
Lena: Another pure provocation.
Vadim: And there was, yes, a moment when, well, when the apartment was peaceful. Nobody was being rude to anybody... well, in general, something like that. And Auntie Ksana...
Lena: ...got bored.
Vadim: ...got bored, so she taught Volodya a trick. She took three three-year old Volodya, Lena's brother...
Lena: Four-year old.
Vadim: Four, four, four. He was four. She taught him what to say. So when everybody came into the kitchen to make dinner or something, I don't know, the four-year old Volodya came in and started walking past the tables and pointing to the little rugs: "This is our rug, this is Auntie Ksana's rug, this is Auntie Manya's rug, but all the other rugs are Jew rugs."
Lena: There was an explosion!
Vadim: Well, there was an explosion...
Lena: So they accused our father of antisemitism, they did. And our mother, a total breakdown in relations. And we'd been friends with the Zislises because Raya and Marina, they... well, a total breakdown in relations. We were forbidden to see them...
Lena: ...and they were forbidden to see us, which was a total tragedy for us.